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rates that were there when i was predz. >> with now break through today and the fiscal cliff negotiations, is this a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james langford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. good to see you, sir. appreciate you taking the time. what about this idea of raising taxes on everyone? the math actually in this case is much more promising. it works much better. >> right. i heard your lead-in on it, and you said this is a new idea floated by howard dean. ints a new idea. several democrats have floated that a while. the code word is going back to the clinton tax rates and talk about the clinton economy and we should go back to the clinton tax rates. what that means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. so it's not new, and no, i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea at all. it will slow down the economy. >> all right. the truth is when you look at economists' evaluations, it will slow down
rates that were there when i was predz. >> with now break through today and the fiscal cliff negotiations, is this a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james langford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. good to see you, sir. appreciate you taking the time. what about this idea of raising taxes on everyone? the math actually in this case is much more promising. it works much...
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i'm going to tell you what others won't about the fiscal cliff. the head of starbucks said it will damage the u.s.'s reputation and shenanigans from capitol hill and with a cool 500 bucks to spend, should you use them now for a share in apple? apple says it will build some of the iconic mac computers in the u.s. listen to what apple ceo tim cook said to nbc's brian williams. >> so we've been working for years on doing more and more in the united states. next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> but apple stock has been singing the blues for a few months. plummeted 25% off the all-high and a beating this week. 6.5% lower yesterday. apple up more than a percent today. kurndly around $544 a share. is now a good time to get in. you're all asking me. i'm asking katie stockton in connecticut. katie, is apple stock down off its high a phenomenally successful stock to hold for so many investors and showing the chart again. you look at technical trading patterns in the stock. do they tell you it's time to buy, sell or hol
i'm going to tell you what others won't about the fiscal cliff. the head of starbucks said it will damage the u.s.'s reputation and shenanigans from capitol hill and with a cool 500 bucks to spend, should you use them now for a share in apple? apple says it will build some of the iconic mac computers in the u.s. listen to what apple ceo tim cook said to nbc's brian williams. >> so we've been working for years on doing more and more in the united states. next year, we will do one of our...
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cliff. doing that puts jobs in our country in danger. jeopardizes a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that we enact fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform to begin to solve our country's debt problem and, frankly, revenue problem. as you can see from this chart, real revenue growth is critically important as long as real cuts in spending if we're going to solve our long term fiscal problem. as i said five weeks ago, the election wasn't a mandate to raise taxes on small businesses. it was a mandate for both parties to work together to take on the big challenges that our country is facing. republicans are ready and eager to do just that. we made a reasonable offer. it's now up to the white house to show us how they'll cut spending and give us the balanced agreement that the president has talked about for week. if the president will step up and show us he's willing to make the spending cuts that are needed, i think we can do some real good in the days ahead. if not, he wants to ke
cliff. doing that puts jobs in our country in danger. jeopardizes a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that we enact fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform to begin to solve our country's debt problem and, frankly, revenue problem. as you can see from this chart, real revenue growth is critically important as long as real cuts in spending if we're going to solve our long term fiscal problem. as i said five weeks ago, the election wasn't a mandate to raise taxes on small businesses....
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we say let's do it all. >> even at the expense of going off the fiscal cliff because if we do that taxes will go up on middle class americans to the tune of 2,000 plus dollars. >> and my whole point is we can put the brakes on the fiscal cliff. they say let's cut taxes for the first $250,000. democrats say that. let's agree and pass what we can agree on and where we can't agree, we can have debates later on. i think the figure ought to be higher than $250,000. i think it should reflect the cost of living in high cost areas like long island. i'm not going to tell my constituents that make less than $250,000, that it should be more. we can all agree on $250,000 and debate what we cannot agree on. >> something about the negotiations themselves seems unusual to me. it seems that house republicans are dealing directly with president obama and sort of skipping over their democratic counterparts like what are you guys doing? >> look, everybody needs to get into a room. there's no question about it. and i don't care whether you are negotiating a baseball contract or negotiating a solution to thi
we say let's do it all. >> even at the expense of going off the fiscal cliff because if we do that taxes will go up on middle class americans to the tune of 2,000 plus dollars. >> and my whole point is we can put the brakes on the fiscal cliff. they say let's cut taxes for the first $250,000. democrats say that. let's agree and pass what we can agree on and where we can't agree, we can have debates later on. i think the figure ought to be higher than $250,000. i think it should...
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rates. >> with no breakthrough today, fiscal cliff negotiations, could this be a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james lankford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. appreciate you're taking the time. what about this idea of racing taxes on everyone? the math works much better. >> i heard your lead in when you said this is a new idea. actually, it's not a new idea, there are several democrats who have floated that for a while. the code word is we want to go back to the clinton tax rates and talk about the clinton economy that we had a much more vigorous economy and growth and we should go back to the clinton tax rates. what that really means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea. it would slow down the economy. >> when you look at economist's evaluations, it would slow down the economy. it would. there's no question about it. but if the problem is that we have
rates. >> with no breakthrough today, fiscal cliff negotiations, could this be a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james lankford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. appreciate you're taking the time. what about this idea of racing taxes on everyone? the math works much better. >> i heard your lead in when you said this is a new idea. actually, it's not a new idea, there...
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and if this tax break goes away, as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depends on the tax bracket they're in, but on average, it would be about 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to sell short and absorb the loss. the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short sales as a form of foreclosure relief. foreclosures also sell on average for $30,000 less than homes sold via short sale. so as we near the fiscal cliff, you can expect short sales even more as homeowners get hit with bank taxes and banks get stuck with foreclosed properties. if we go over the cliff, the taxpayer's base with a short sale may be steep enough to walk away instead. and that would push the fiscal cliff higher for 2013. i'm christine romans. >>> all right, pay attention to this, it would affect you. many of us rely on them. on-line reviews of businesses and products. but did you ever think that giving a negative review would give you in trouble? a d.c. contra
and if this tax break goes away, as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depends on the tax bracket they're in, but on average, it would be about 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to sell short and absorb the loss. the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short sales as a form of foreclosure relief. foreclosures also sell on...
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revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morni
revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two...
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will political gridlock force us over the fiscal cliff and into a new recession with higher taxes for everyone? house speaker john boehner called it another wasted week. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. > report. >> schieffer: the president won't budge. no deals unless it includes higher taxes on upper income people. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. >> schieffer: the president says it's math, but is it math or politics. we'll talk with former republican senator it alan simpson, and clinton white house chief of staff, erskine bowles, who chaired the first deficit reduction commission. they're concerned about the dangers ahead. so concerned that simpson took to the dance floor to urge young people to get involved. we'll also get the take of rising democratic star cory booker, the mayor of newark. what's his answer to the washington gridlock? and is he planning a run for governor against chris christie. for analysis, we'll turn to joe klein of "time" ma
will political gridlock force us over the fiscal cliff and into a new recession with higher taxes for everyone? house speaker john boehner called it another wasted week. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. > report. >> schieffer: the president won't budge. no deals unless it includes higher taxes on upper income people. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being...
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from everyone if we go over that fiscal cliff, you got to compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise. to some liberals on the far left, conservatives on the far right, compromise is a dirty word. you should never compromise with the other side. they hate that. they rather go over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democratic leadership to come up with something that avoids going over the fiscal cliff. i think that's what that poll shows. >> let me change topics for a bit. news broke just before the program that republican senator jim demint is leaving. he decided to take over the heritage foundation. i have a question for you in that was this expected? he's a staunch conservative and opponent to craving into democrats and how do those things factor into a way ahead for republicans in the senate? >> i was surprised
from everyone if we go over that fiscal cliff, you got to compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise. to some liberals on the far left, conservatives on the far right, compromise is a dirty word. you should never compromise with the other side. they hate that. they rather go over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want...
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zero heartburn. . >> it is that time again, time to peer over the fiscal cliff of taxes and punishing spending cuts. no real progress to speak of in an effort to get a deal done. scheduled to kick in in 19 days now. as we mentioned, john boehner said the president is not serious. they are demanded by republicans and we did notice this. speaker boehner did not reject a vote for the first of the year to prevent the increase on incomes under $250,000 a year. president obama with the brought support of democrats and the public wants to keep them the same and raise rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans. he will talk about spending cuts. nice to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> one of your colleagues, they said this is outgoing with the republican of south carolina. he sounds as though he is throwing in the towel. he said president obama will get his wish. higher tax rates for the wealthy. congressman brown, will the president get his wish? >> i think the president wants higher tax rates for everybody. even the lowest paid employees in this country is pushing towards. the pr
zero heartburn. . >> it is that time again, time to peer over the fiscal cliff of taxes and punishing spending cuts. no real progress to speak of in an effort to get a deal done. scheduled to kick in in 19 days now. as we mentioned, john boehner said the president is not serious. they are demanded by republicans and we did notice this. speaker boehner did not reject a vote for the first of the year to prevent the increase on incomes under $250,000 a year. president obama with the brought...
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look, you are talking about the fiscal cliff, 25 days away until these tax hikes and federal spending cuts go into effect. you are looking at wall street. it is not making any big moves because of the uncertainty of what is going to happen with this. how long are politicians going to continue dragging their feet. and it is not just wall street. you know, it is beginning to eat into consumer confidence. we just got this index, university of michigan consumer confidence index. just a short time ago, this morning. it showed that consumer confidence plunged and in the first week of its month because americans don't know what to expect taxwise. that's a bad sign for retailers at the most important time of the year. the holidays. because guess what, if consumers aren't feeling confident, they are no going to spend. that domino effect that hit retailers, many of these retailers depend on the holiday sales to push them into a profit important the year. this is what's weighing out there in -- you know, for consumers, yes. fiscal cliff definitely weighing on things. despite the fact that the jo
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if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and he's totally rejected that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a half to one and republicans can negotiate it to two or two and a half to one, i mean, that would be an adult, mature, sensible negotiation. the kind that i used to do
if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him...
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it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california and berkeley and former secretary under bill clinton. douglas, does this sound like code for a deal in the works? >> it certainly is good news that they aren't taking things off the table. i would be premature if i was celebrating a deal. there's a long way to go. it's important that they reach an agreement. the fiscal cliff is a very real danger to the united states economy. it's a recipe for a recession. and i certainly would not like to see the rhetoric that we saw from the treasury secretary tim geithner who said he's prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. that is not a good way to talk about what's going on right now. >> mr. reich, let me ask you the same thing. do you think there's code suggesting they are working towards something? because, doug, as you point out, the language was really harsh during this week. but all of a s
it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california and berkeley and former secretary under bill clinton. douglas, does this sound like code for a deal in the works? >> it certainly is good news that they aren't taking things off the table. i would be premature if i was celebrating a deal....
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it's going to be driving the conversation on the fiscal cliff. we only have 25 days until the tax hikes and spending cuts start to take effect. here is the thing. this number came in much better than expected, don. so the bad part about this is that it may not motivate all those politicians on capitol hill as much as it may have, if it came in much weak er. this may not light the fire, so to speak. that could be the downside to the upside surprise to the number. don? >> alison, stick around. we'll get back to you as well. >>> from wall street now to washington where the white house is keep iing a close eye on today's numbers. brianna keilar joins us now live. good morning, brianna. >> reporter: good morning to you, don. we're still awaiting reaction from the white house and also from congssional republicans. they've long said at the white house, take a look at the trend of these nuchls over the month. so this number, paired with the last couple of months on its face, they will say the trajectory looks good, obviously more needs to be done. maybe
it's going to be driving the conversation on the fiscal cliff. we only have 25 days until the tax hikes and spending cuts start to take effect. here is the thing. this number came in much better than expected, don. so the bad part about this is that it may not motivate all those politicians on capitol hill as much as it may have, if it came in much weak er. this may not light the fire, so to speak. that could be the downside to the upside surprise to the number. don? >> alison, stick...
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cliff or else automatic spending cuts and tax hikes will kick in and with the fiscal cliff looming, our consumers feeling at all concerned? christine romans joins us now from new york with that. good morning, christine. >> good morning, ted. first, let me tell you what's going right in the economy for consumers. there's a whole host of things. the job markets, 7.7% unemployment, the lowest in four years. you've got the housing market showing signs of recovery. rising home values in much of the country. gas prices, did you notice? they're down 46 cents over the past couple of months. they're expected to keep going lower and the dow is up 20 points now. the dow is above 1,300 and the s&p 500 is up 12% this year. so, what could go wrong? fiscal cliff. this is something weighing op consumer sentiment and we're starting to see it in the weekly -- look at this -- 39% said it would affect it some. they don't seem to have much faith in congress to fix it and any time except 11th hour and maybe a week into the new year and there's this payroll tax holiday that most people have been enjoying
cliff or else automatic spending cuts and tax hikes will kick in and with the fiscal cliff looming, our consumers feeling at all concerned? christine romans joins us now from new york with that. good morning, christine. >> good morning, ted. first, let me tell you what's going right in the economy for consumers. there's a whole host of things. the job markets, 7.7% unemployment, the lowest in four years. you've got the housing market showing signs of recovery. rising home values in much...
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. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40 years after man's last trip to the moon, a return voyage may be a reality. astronomer derrick pitts will tell you why the golden spike is a big deal. good to have you with us, folks. thanks for watching. the new republican strategy is to take the amer
. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers...
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but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of getting close to it, the president has to be able to pivot and to say how do i turn this political advantage into a real policy accomplishment? and, wolf, i don't think you're going to do that with continued campaign style events like we just saw meeting with middle class families. okay. we get that. that occurred during the campaign. the white house has clearly gotten its message out. i think now there has to be a next step. you know, timing is everything in politics. and this is absolutely no different. what i'm getting from talking to some democrats on the hill is i think there's actually a lot of pen
but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of...
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cliff pr campaign. he is meeting with a middle class family in northern virginia, and the white house says the president is going to talk about his efforts to extend tax cuts for the middle class as part of this debt deal. well, some economists are predicting that the country will go into another recession if this debt deal is not reached. any deal that the lawmakers and white house come up with is also going to have a major impact, so joining us to talk a little bit about it, peter morrissey. he is a business professor at the university of maryland, and our own chief business xhnt ali velshi. you wrote something, an article here, predicting that these tax hikes, the spending cuts likely in the debt deal, could push unemployment, you believe, from 7.9% all the way to 10%. how so? >> well, simply it will cut spending in the economy. the wealthy will have less money to spend, but the government will likely be spending a lot less money as well because the republicans are going to want spending cuts. you co
cliff pr campaign. he is meeting with a middle class family in northern virginia, and the white house says the president is going to talk about his efforts to extend tax cuts for the middle class as part of this debt deal. well, some economists are predicting that the country will go into another recession if this debt deal is not reached. any deal that the lawmakers and white house come up with is also going to have a major impact, so joining us to talk a little bit about it, peter morrissey....
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want to take you back to the fiscal cliff. not sure if you caught this, but house democratic leader nancy pelosi launched this effort to force a vote, force a vote on extending the middle class tax cut while letting taxes go up first of the year for the wealthiest 2% of americans. keep in mind, republicans own the house majority, so they control which bills, of course, come to vote. and they have not allowed a vote on the tax cuts. so pelosi has begun to circulate this petition and it would force a vote on the measure. they have to get the signatures just to get the vote to happen. if all house democrats sign the petition, she still needs just about two dozen republicans to come on board as well, and that could prove to be a pretty tough task. joining me now from washington, congressman steve israel, democrat of new york. congressman, nice to see you back here on the show. >> thanks, brooke. >> i understand you, yourself, have been reaching out to some of the house republicans on this. have you spoken to any of them? >> i have
want to take you back to the fiscal cliff. not sure if you caught this, but house democratic leader nancy pelosi launched this effort to force a vote, force a vote on extending the middle class tax cut while letting taxes go up first of the year for the wealthiest 2% of americans. keep in mind, republicans own the house majority, so they control which bills, of course, come to vote. and they have not allowed a vote on the tax cuts. so pelosi has begun to circulate this petition and it would...
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because as we all know if we go over the fiscal cliff. that means higher taxes for everybody. it means a hit of $3.9% to the gp it means unemployment will probably go over 9%, maybe as high as 10%. think those are all the kinds of things that the president would want to avoid. we don't want that to be the discussion beginning 2013. i think the president wants to make sure first we get past the fiscal challenge and bring both parties together and sign an agreement that works for us so we avoid the fiscal cliff and then look for other ways to bring the country together and maybe make a difference legislatively. >> chris as promised really quickly here. your former cross, senator joe mansion, west virginia, absolutely despises the mtv show, buck wild and has taken to talking about it. a lot, what's your take on all of this? what's happening here? >> well, you know, listen, there's nobody who loves his state more, i think than joe mansion. he loves west virginia. it's a state with great people. i've met a lot of them while i worked for him and you see this show, i went and saw the
because as we all know if we go over the fiscal cliff. that means higher taxes for everybody. it means a hit of $3.9% to the gp it means unemployment will probably go over 9%, maybe as high as 10%. think those are all the kinds of things that the president would want to avoid. we don't want that to be the discussion beginning 2013. i think the president wants to make sure first we get past the fiscal challenge and bring both parties together and sign an agreement that works for us so we avoid...
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time for a fiscal cliff update for you. nothing much going on in public at least as president obama hits the road to campaign for higher tax rates on the rich. the list of pledge signers willing to consider raising taxes on the rich already includes republican senator bob corker of tennessee. not that he or the others you see here really want taxes to go up for anyone, but corker says agreeing to increases for the top 2% shifts the discussion. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> the shift he's talking about is the political pressure to get larger spending cuts which a good many democrats oppose. we'll see how it works out for him because spending cuts are not working out for italy's government. prime minister mario monti announced he would resign after losing support over his austerity moves. a return of pol
time for a fiscal cliff update for you. nothing much going on in public at least as president obama hits the road to campaign for higher tax rates on the rich. the list of pledge signers willing to consider raising taxes on the rich already includes republican senator bob corker of tennessee. not that he or the others you see here really want taxes to go up for anyone, but corker says agreeing to increases for the top 2% shifts the discussion. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory...
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has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played for political -- for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. >> so grover norquist. if you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just they're going to go up and they're going to go up on somebody. what would you re
has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think...
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there are dramatic changes as far as the estate tax is concerned if we go over the fiscal cliff, if no legislation is passed between now and the end of the year, walk us through what the folks out there can expect. >> here's how it works, wolf. if a family members dies and leaves their estate not to their spouse. but to their decendents, their children or someone other than their children. the estate tax kicks in. here's what's happening this year. according to the independent tax policy center. a state center worth less than $5 million are exempt. the center estimates about 3600 people, families, estates will fall into that category this year. 2012. next year barring any congressional action, that exemption falls down to a million dollars, the rate you pay on that estate jumps up to between 41% and 55%. on top of that, there's a 5% tax on the portion of very large tax estates. the tax policy tenners estimates the number will jump from 2600 in 2012 to 53,000 in 2013. that's a huge increase from where we stand right now. as you know, some people call this double taxation, because people
there are dramatic changes as far as the estate tax is concerned if we go over the fiscal cliff, if no legislation is passed between now and the end of the year, walk us through what the folks out there can expect. >> here's how it works, wolf. if a family members dies and leaves their estate not to their spouse. but to their decendents, their children or someone other than their children. the estate tax kicks in. here's what's happening this year. according to the independent tax policy...
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house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> cenk: now look, i'll tell i couldn't this pisses me off. lindsey graham says the same thing. this is not time to be liberal. conservatives say time to be conservatives. we've got a mandate. but not time to be liberal time to be bipartisan. you play small ball. you're not a man. a man agrees with us? why, a man kicks your
house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as...
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>> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team pla
>> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire...
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they're very concerned about having to pay more taxes just because congress can't end this fiscal cliff fiasco. >> you might have misunderstood the question. what do you think the mom kz do? what do you think, you know, families can do or should be doing to try to help the situation, obviously, because you've got some people who argue, well, you know, maybe there ought to be major cuts when it comes to medicare or medicaid or reforming social security, that kind of thing? >> well, we absolutely 1150% are hearing from moms across the country that it is not the time to cut medicaid. it is not the time to cut medicare or social security. one in three kids are receiving their health care through medicaid, and so we don't want to see any kind of bargaining or putting on the table of anything that takes health care away from kids because, guess what, that does not help taxpayers in the long run. when we don't give kids the care they need, we end up autosing more taxpayer dollars in the long run to fix later health strobz. we heard stories from people like ann who shared her 4-year-old son has
they're very concerned about having to pay more taxes just because congress can't end this fiscal cliff fiasco. >> you might have misunderstood the question. what do you think the mom kz do? what do you think, you know, families can do or should be doing to try to help the situation, obviously, because you've got some people who argue, well, you know, maybe there ought to be major cuts when it comes to medicare or medicaid or reforming social security, that kind of thing? >> well,...
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cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm out there on my own, never know what i might say. but given the dialogue that we had the last time, i thought it was useful for me to abbreviate my remarks, speak off the cuff at the top and then most of the time just having a conversation. let me begin by saying all of you in this room are not just business leaders, not just ceos of your companies but you're also economic leaders and thought leaders in this country and i recognize that all of you have an enormous investment not only in your own companies but in the well-being of america. there are a lot of patriots in this room and people who care deeply about not only your bottom lines but also the future of this country. you've shown that over the last four years. we've gone th
cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm out there on my own, never know what i might say. but given the dialogue that we had the last time, i thought it was useful for me to abbreviate my remarks, speak off the cuff at the top and then most of the time just having a...
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. >>> if we go off the fiscal cliff, we're all going to pay higher taxes. if republicans and democrats agree to go along with the obama administration's plan, just the wealthiest 2% see that tax increase. billionaire ted turner says that's fine with him. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> whatever's reasonable? we'll find out. plus why he says war is now a thing of the past. my spinterview with ted turner next. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here. social security are just numbers thinkin a budget.d... well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these prog
. >>> if we go off the fiscal cliff, we're all going to pay higher taxes. if republicans and democrats agree to go along with the obama administration's plan, just the wealthiest 2% see that tax increase. billionaire ted turner says that's fine with him. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable....
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the last time we had a deal it created this fiscal cliff. my hope is that we have a solution. here is the bottom line on all of this. if they do all the things the president is asking for. we are all going to be worse off. the truth is it's not just about a pledgor protecting millionaires and billionaires. you raise those taxes and the true millionaires and billionaires are going to figure the stuff out. the people who are going to get crushed are the install and mid sized businesses who pay on their personal rate. they are going to get hurt by. this lay people off. cut hours. that's going to hurt the middle class. that's going to hurt the working class. it's not going to do anything for the debt. >> intran jent he basically said we are going to raise the rate. if you don't like it we're not going to get a deal. seems like that's where we are going here. >> that's unfortunate. instead of what the president is doing is saying the campaign is over let me governor. put a campaign and put a trophy in the liberal trophy case. what the president is proposing is not going to do anyth
the last time we had a deal it created this fiscal cliff. my hope is that we have a solution. here is the bottom line on all of this. if they do all the things the president is asking for. we are all going to be worse off. the truth is it's not just about a pledgor protecting millionaires and billionaires. you raise those taxes and the true millionaires and billionaires are going to figure the stuff out. the people who are going to get crushed are the install and mid sized businesses who pay on...
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and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything done. >> reporter: potential effects of the fiscal cliff in rock island, illinois aren't necessarily any better or worse than in other cities around the country. the bottom line is if congress fails to act, repercussions will be felt across the country. wolf? >> ted rowlands in rock island, illinois. >>> imagine being able to use your ipad, cell phone in the air whenever you want. up next, we have details on a new government effort under way now to keep you plugged in all the time, including on takeoff and landing, while flying. stand by. ♪
and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything...
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in terms of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man
in terms of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the...
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rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and this was a step they had to take to help both sides come to a deal. >> maybe it will help because a lot of these guys are very, very influential. speaking of the fiscal cliff, jessica, what did the fed chairman ben bernanke say about these current negotiations? >> well, bernanke is the man credited with coining the term fiscal cliff. he did it back in february as part of testimony before congress. bernanke was speaking at a press conference today and he was asked two things. one, does he see impacts from the fiscal cliff, the lack of a deal, is it alrea
rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and...
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>> here's the deal, first of all for the audience, we talk about the fiscal cliff, it involves three things. first of all it deals with the bush tax cuts set to expire in december. it also deals with the debt ceiling, sequestration, there's three parts to it. the president is consistently saying i talked to people in his administration, saying look we want to deal first just with the tax cuts. republicans want to add the other pieces to it because they know it's hard to defend fighting for the tax cuts for the top 2%. they need to be able to tell their supporters we got something out of this. the president is saying separate them. that's part of the reason why you have this battle. >> dig deeper into what you're saying, roland, 70% for democrats, 70% seem to suggest they are willing to see cuts in entitlements, house speaker john boehner says taxes remain a sticking points but there are reports that bainer is open to more revenues. is it time for democrats to give more on social security, medicare and medicaid? >> the president did so last year. if you ask republican leadership they
>> here's the deal, first of all for the audience, we talk about the fiscal cliff, it involves three things. first of all it deals with the bush tax cuts set to expire in december. it also deals with the debt ceiling, sequestration, there's three parts to it. the president is consistently saying i talked to people in his administration, saying look we want to deal first just with the tax cuts. republicans want to add the other pieces to it because they know it's hard to defend fighting...
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is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is american companies have lots of money sitting overseas because they don't want to bring it back and be taxed in the united states. so that is something that puts as one of his eight points because it is holding back investments by american companies. >> all right. the new issue of "the economist" is "the world in 2013." daniel franklin. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. stay with us. much more on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever be
is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is...
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we talk about everything from nuclear iran to the fiscal cliff. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> that interview airing this time tomorrow right here on cnn newsroom. people have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, and we do everything we can
we talk about everything from nuclear iran to the fiscal cliff. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> that interview airing this time tomorrow right here on cnn newsroom. people have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in...
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but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform school. you'll find out what researchers think they have found. that's next. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> researchers may have unkfred shocking new evidence of a mass grave at a now closed florid
but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform...